Sayid Jarrah
I'll start at the end. Sayid Jarrah is dead. Truly, most sincerely dead. Forget that you see him talking at the end. That is not him. That's Jacob. That's why Jacob asked Hurley to take Sayid to the temple so he could enter Sayid's body. Miles knows it too. Or at least he knows that Sayid did indeed die. I'm very disappointed in Sayid's death. It was more scary than emotional. I didn't shed a tear. I like Sayid, so that's not the problem. There was just no emotional punch to his death. I'm not sure though if the temple people were instructed to kill him or not. Looks like we are headed for a nuLocke v nuSayid showdown.
I didn't shed a tear for Juilet too. Her death last year was amazing. Total tearjerker. I just didn't care that she died again. It seems her whole purpose for this episode was to tell Miles that "it worked." I totally felt Sawyer's anger. Juliet's death was an accident, not Jack's fault. They really had no alternative. They couldn't go back to the Dharma Initiative. Maybe they could have went with the Others. Chances are, they would have been hunted down.
So we have two parallel universes going on. "It worked" and the plane landed. Great scenes there. Charlie telling Jack he's supposed to die. Dr. Arzt was back being goofy. Bernard and Rose made an appearance which was nice since everyone forgets about them. The poor actors never get any press. So I'm assuming Rose still has her tumor. Boone and Locke bonded. That was disappointing considering the spoiler about those two made you think Boone was going to confront Locke for sacrificing him. Locke lied about doing the walkabout. Hurley lied about being lucky. It's odd too that Shannon wasn't on tonight's episode. None of the tailies except Bernard and the flight attendant were on. No Eko, Libby, or Ana Lucia. We do see the tailies kids and the flight attendant at the temple. So we know now 5 years later that the kids were safely taken to the temple all along. The flight attendant recognized the gang and said they were from the "first plane crash" even though they were on the second plane crash also. What's her name? I can't remember.
The "it worked" scenario seems to be a continuing story. Kate got away again with pregnant Claire. Looks like Jack might operate on still paralyzed Locke. Christian's body is still MIA. Sun is letting Jin get in trouble for the cash he had in his luggage.
Back on the island, it gets confirmed that nuLocke is also the smoke monster. It was priceless seeing Ben's face when Richard roughly shows him Locke's dead body. Ben knew he was duped. There was a stunning conversation between nuLocke and Ben. Terry O'Quinn's face became so sinister in this scene. It's so surreal to see O'Quinn rip on his old character like that. He called Locke weak and broken. Locke's home life was so awful that he was the only person from the crash that wanted to stay on the island. NuLocke tells Ben that Locke's last thought was "I don't understand." For me, as a Locke fan, yeah it hurts that my favorite character was built up to potentially be some great leader only to find out that he's a pawn like the rest of them. Locke was so ambitious, and he got reduced into being a tool. NuLocke and Ben leave Jacob's hideaway. NuLocke knocks Richard unconscious and carries him off. NuLocke says he wants to go home.
At the temple, they know that Jacob is dead. So they sound the alarm. They know the smoke monster is coming. I'm assuming that the temple may be nuLocke's home that he has been banished from. From the beach they see the firework that the temple people set off. So we know that Jack and the gang are back in 2007.
It looks like the theme this year for the show is parallel universes. So brush up on your quantum physics. lol We'll probably be seeing both stories play out until the end. I have to complain a little too. O'Quinn also said he wanted to play old Locke one last time before the season ended. Considering that he said that half way through taping the last season, that was a bit of a fib on his part. He played both Lockes tonight. Even old Locke seems different though. He seemed more at peace. The old Locke we saw being shut out from the walkabout was fairly angry. Locke didn't even seem to mind losing his knives. He didn't seem like the character NuLocke was talking about.
I'm ready for next week. Please tell me what you think about Sayid. Is it him or Jacob?
Edit: I forgot about Desmond! He was on 815. Lucky guy, that whole hatch thing might be gone from at least one of his lifelines. I'm so glad to see him, and not just because he's hot. lol No one talked about Dez returning this year other than Eloise saying last year that the island wasn't done with him yet. So I guess we'll see what would have happened to Desmond when he's not stuck pushing a button.
I didn't shed a tear for Juilet too. Her death last year was amazing. Total tearjerker. I just didn't care that she died again. It seems her whole purpose for this episode was to tell Miles that "it worked." I totally felt Sawyer's anger. Juliet's death was an accident, not Jack's fault. They really had no alternative. They couldn't go back to the Dharma Initiative. Maybe they could have went with the Others. Chances are, they would have been hunted down.
So we have two parallel universes going on. "It worked" and the plane landed. Great scenes there. Charlie telling Jack he's supposed to die. Dr. Arzt was back being goofy. Bernard and Rose made an appearance which was nice since everyone forgets about them. The poor actors never get any press. So I'm assuming Rose still has her tumor. Boone and Locke bonded. That was disappointing considering the spoiler about those two made you think Boone was going to confront Locke for sacrificing him. Locke lied about doing the walkabout. Hurley lied about being lucky. It's odd too that Shannon wasn't on tonight's episode. None of the tailies except Bernard and the flight attendant were on. No Eko, Libby, or Ana Lucia. We do see the tailies kids and the flight attendant at the temple. So we know now 5 years later that the kids were safely taken to the temple all along. The flight attendant recognized the gang and said they were from the "first plane crash" even though they were on the second plane crash also. What's her name? I can't remember.
The "it worked" scenario seems to be a continuing story. Kate got away again with pregnant Claire. Looks like Jack might operate on still paralyzed Locke. Christian's body is still MIA. Sun is letting Jin get in trouble for the cash he had in his luggage.
Back on the island, it gets confirmed that nuLocke is also the smoke monster. It was priceless seeing Ben's face when Richard roughly shows him Locke's dead body. Ben knew he was duped. There was a stunning conversation between nuLocke and Ben. Terry O'Quinn's face became so sinister in this scene. It's so surreal to see O'Quinn rip on his old character like that. He called Locke weak and broken. Locke's home life was so awful that he was the only person from the crash that wanted to stay on the island. NuLocke tells Ben that Locke's last thought was "I don't understand." For me, as a Locke fan, yeah it hurts that my favorite character was built up to potentially be some great leader only to find out that he's a pawn like the rest of them. Locke was so ambitious, and he got reduced into being a tool. NuLocke and Ben leave Jacob's hideaway. NuLocke knocks Richard unconscious and carries him off. NuLocke says he wants to go home.
At the temple, they know that Jacob is dead. So they sound the alarm. They know the smoke monster is coming. I'm assuming that the temple may be nuLocke's home that he has been banished from. From the beach they see the firework that the temple people set off. So we know that Jack and the gang are back in 2007.
It looks like the theme this year for the show is parallel universes. So brush up on your quantum physics. lol We'll probably be seeing both stories play out until the end. I have to complain a little too. O'Quinn also said he wanted to play old Locke one last time before the season ended. Considering that he said that half way through taping the last season, that was a bit of a fib on his part. He played both Lockes tonight. Even old Locke seems different though. He seemed more at peace. The old Locke we saw being shut out from the walkabout was fairly angry. Locke didn't even seem to mind losing his knives. He didn't seem like the character NuLocke was talking about.
I'm ready for next week. Please tell me what you think about Sayid. Is it him or Jacob?
Edit: I forgot about Desmond! He was on 815. Lucky guy, that whole hatch thing might be gone from at least one of his lifelines. I'm so glad to see him, and not just because he's hot. lol No one talked about Dez returning this year other than Eloise saying last year that the island wasn't done with him yet. So I guess we'll see what would have happened to Desmond when he's not stuck pushing a button.
interesting theory!!!
ReplyDeleteActually I got the impression Desmond was NOT on 815, but that his appearance was just for Jack and that it fits into his specialness.
ReplyDeleteI think in the end the Losties are going to get a choice of what they want to be on the Island and live that life or to live the life they would have had had they not crashed. It fits into how I saw Mr./Fr. Eko's end. There was a flash of a young Eko and his brother. I interpreted that to be that some force stepped in and he was transported back to the time of innocence before he sacrificed himself to save his brother by going with the warlord instead of him. That resulted into his life of crime and killing, and the eventual death of his brother the priest. I think that he was sent back for another chance.
I was shocked that Smokey is actually the dark force. I thought he was more some amoral judge and protector of the Island.
Not surprised that Jacob died last season nor is a live now. At the time I saw him as the savior figure in myth and religion. Like all savior figures they know they have to die for what is supposed to occur to occur and they peacefully go to their death, murder, to do so. But in death the figure lives, figuratively and literally, and becomes stronger in doing so. So in the end Smokey will be in for a rude awakening.
What is interesting is that the explosion did not just change things from the point of the turbulence onward, but even prior to that. Boone stated that Shannon was not on the plane since she decided to stay with her no good boyfriend.
I got the impression that Locke may be alive as well, the way the camera focused on him near the end of #2.
Someone mentioned on TWoP that Juliet's remark about "having coffee sometime" was not her confused in death but that she was flashing into the OtherReality Juliet, and that in that Reality she and Sawyer do met up and she was asking OtherReality James for a date.
I found it interesting too exchange between OtherReality Jack/Locke. That implication that Locke regain the use of his legs. So, maybe because they are the chosen that maybe after some more trials on the Island or some more deeds they have to preform that they can return to the RealWorld and be fixed of the physical, emotional, spiritual problems they have. Maybe too that the "sins" they committed which put them on the wrong path in the first place will be cleansed due to their stay on the Island.
For got to add, the Temple confused me. I have been to Egypt and I have been to India and Cambodia, it looked more like the temples of Angkor Wat and Angkor Thom, yet inside there were hieroglyphics which is ancient Egyptian. The Angkor ruins are a mix of Buddhism with Hindu elements.
ReplyDeletePeople are saying that Richard was on the Black Rock. But that does not make sense since I thought it was a slave ship, and the ship looked like it was of the 18th C. and the slaves would be African. Also, they referred to him with a Latinified name Ricardus and they were speaking Latin, so I think he predates the Black Rock. He could be Roman and mixed up with the Egyptian court of Cleopatra, since Mark Anthony and his followers were in Egypt fought against Octavius.
Another thing, I thought that note inside the Ankh also had a list of names, and that harkens back to the list of names which Jacob made up and which the Others followed, Jacob forsaw what was to be and the list was not meant for back then -- back when the Others first captured some of the Losties -- but for the future, which is now the present.
About Dez, I saw some theories that they think he's back to time traveling. I can see your point though, Rose didn't see him. No one saw him but Jack.
ReplyDeleteThe thing with Smokey, remember how he tried to drag Locke into a hole, but Jack saved him? I'm thinking that Smokey wanted to inhabit Locke's body then. Locke had no fear of Smokey then, and wanted to go into the hole. This was after Locke's intial experience in the jungle when he saw him while hunting boar.
I see your point about Eko. I never understood his death especially since he had no fear of the monster the first time he saw it. I need to rewatch Eko's death again. I think Smokey gave him a choice to stay alive and work for Smokey, or death. I think that's why Eko kept saying he didn't believe in Smokey. At the time, I thought he was denying God which was out of character. I think Eko was killed because he didn't believe in Smokey's moral authority.
I see your point. Jacob in death as a marytr might be more powerful than alive. I'm not convinced that Jacob is good. I don't think a good person would routinely stick people on an island to make moral choices. I guess he's trying to get them to redeem themselves by sticking them there. But Jacob does seem to have a lack of sympathy for some of the people.
The ex producers said on Jimmy Kimmel that some characters were not on the plane on purpose. They alluded that the Shannon actress might not be available then. But she is coming back this year too. Same with Michael and Walt.
I don't know about old Locke, but I would love to see him again.
I had a hard time catching what Juliet said. If that is what she said, then yeah, she's in another lifeline.
I did read Doc Jensen's blog about the eppy. He said something about how the interior was Egyptian but the exterior was from a different era.
Richard being from Black Rock doesn't make much sense. He does seem to be more from an Egyptian era. I can see Smokey getting revenge on him though since Richard followed Jacob's orders to a T.
I hope we learn what went down with Widmore and Ben. I wonder if Widmore was corrupted by Smokey causing his banishment. Widmore was the one pushing Locke to return to the island even if it meant his death. He might have known all along that Smokey was going to pretend to be Locke. Ben wanted back on the island for selfish reasons, I don't think he was working for Jacob. I think he killed Locke out of jealousy.
I can see your point about the list. Sawyer, Kate, Jack, and Hurley were on the first one even though Ben let Hurley go. But we have Jin, Sayid, and Miles there now too. Jack told the leader Sayid's name. The leader said something about the note saying they needed to save Sayid or be in big trouble.
Well, Jacob is a god or aspect of god, so I do not see him as evil for allowing people to die. People believe in a God or Gods and they die. For people of religion death is not the end but the beginning -- for some either heaven or hell (and purgatory), and others reincarnation until they achieve nirvana. For Christians, Christ does not protect you from death he is there to help you through life. Nadia's fate was to die, he could not prevent that even for his chosen Sahid, but he could be there for Sahid and help him through the pain of the death, and try to get him to realize that he has a choice and can move on with his life, and his past does not matter, his choice how to react now and the future does.
ReplyDeleteI think Smokey may have been corrupted, but then it is like what many people belief now the Devil tries to seduce us, we have Free Will and can choose. Ben CHOSE to kill the Dharma folks, and his father. It seems Smokey can manifest itself into dead people and creatures, and Ben's mother was dead. Ben first left the compound when he saw his mother's image and she was telling him what to do.
Thanks for the info. about Temple. The LOST people are too meticulous and they do their research too well to make a mistake like having Egyptian, yet looking more Hindu/Buddhist.
I don't think Jacob is necessarily evil, I'm just not convinced that he is clearly good. I do believe that evil exists even with God in charge. It's Jacob's non-chalant attitude towards death that bugs me. I'm not saying that he needs to save anyone from death. I would like to see more compassion from him. He seems cold to me.
ReplyDeleteWhen Ben asked, "what about me?" and Jacob responded, "What ABOUT you?" it struck me as cold. Ben believed in Jacob with blind faith, and did what he was asked to do without question even though he never communicated directly with Jacob. I just don't sense any love from Jacob to any of his followers. God is love. I don't feel that Jacob loves anyone.
I highly recommend Doc Jensen's blog at www.ew.com. It's the best site I've seen on Lost plus he does interviews with the stars/producers/writers. He does all the geeky research on everything on the show including sets. The producers said on Kimmel that they personally chose the books the characters read because it does have some relevance to the current story.
Yeah, but God is pretty cold to if you look at it one way, 100,000+ poor people recently dying in Haiti, the Holocaust, illnesses, murders, sufferings, wars, God/gods do not step in to stop those, He/they just see things differently than humans, they see the bigger picture.
ReplyDeleteI cannot feel bad for Ben, Ben chose his path, he had choices. Jacob told him HE HAD A CHOICE, and Ben killed Jacob out of jealousy, he got mad because he thought he was slighted by Jacob. Big sins there Pride, Envy and Wrath -- the big three in Catholicism, Dante ranked in that order, and those who showed these were punished worse than the lustful or the avaricious.
Though I also got a Book of Job vibe from Jacob and Smokey's chat, Satan was chatting with God how people are inherently self-serving, they were cool if things went their way,they worshipped Him (God), but if things did not they would turn on God. God had faith in people and hence Job's test. I had a Hellenic/Hebrew humanities class and we studied this book of the Bible in conjunction with Aeschylus' PROMETHEUS BOUND, another figure unjustly punished and tested. Boccaccio's Patient Griselda in his DECAMERON -- and later Chaucer's Griselda in THE CANTERBURY TALES -- is based on Job. In the end both characters, after apparently "unjust" treatment are rewarded for the constancy and devotion.
last Anonym your post is very interesting.
ReplyDeleteI was wondering about the Temple Others. I got the impression that not only were they a mix of nationalities but were from different time periods. The Japanese guy at first I thought he was some feudal Japan Samurai, but thinking about it that does not fit his derogatory remarks about English, so I am wondering if he was some Japanese Imperial solder from the '40s, WWII. The other guy with him shouted out HIPPIE; so he either could be some Dharma guy who joined Ben during the Purge or was some Dharma guy who was kidnapped by the Others and indoctrinated into the Other's camp. I also thought I saw someone in the background who looked like a pirate. Anyway, since it is now 2004 or 2007 -- not sure what time the IslandLosties are in -- that would me if the guy is from WWII he would be at least 80-something, and even the Dharma guy would be in his 50s or so. If so, would that mean that they have not aged? So far we know that Ricardus, Smokey/Man-in-Black(MIB) and Jacob do not age. Though others on the Island definitely do, Ben came to the Island as a kid and now is in his 40s, Eloise and Widmore were in their late teens or early-20s in the 50s and now are about 70-something, Alex born on the Island was 16 when she was killed. So, do some folks, the ones at the Temple not age, and others age? And if so, what does that mean?
ReplyDeleteOh, I have been reading that people saw a ring on Desmond's ring finger. Anyone notice this? So if so would that mean that he married someone else -- wasn't he engaged at one point? Or that he in fact married Penny.
ReplyDeleteOthers have said that Claire did not look pregnant.
People are referring to Smokey/MIB as Esau since Esau was the twin brother of Jacob who was supposed to inherit but their mother tricked their father into choosing Jacob.